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to the environment to taxation. in alec task forces, elected state officials and corporate representatives close the doors to press and public and together approve the bills that will be sent out to america, but americans have no idea they come from alec unless someone like a mark pocan exposes it. >> when i went down to new orleans, to the alec convention last august, i remember going to a workshop and hearing a little bit about a bill they did in florida and some other states and there was a proposal to provide special needs scholarships and lo and behold, and i come back to wisconsin and what gets introduced? get ready i know you're going to have a shocked look on your face, a bill to do just that. >> 26 alec members in the wisconsin legislature sponsored that special needs bil but t real spsor was alec. pocan knew because the bill bore a striking resemblance to alec's model. have a look. but pocan isn't only concerned that alec sneaks bills into the state legislature. the intent behind the bills troubles him too. >> some of their legislation sounds so innocuous, but when you start to read ab
plan will kill 700,000 jobs. i don't want to kill jobs in this environment. let me make one more point. >> leer: at's not an answer-- mr. president? >> we've had this discussion before. >> lehrer: about the idea that in order to reduce the deficit, there has to be revenue in addition to cuts. >> there has to be revenue in addition to cuts. now, governor romney has ruled out revenue. he's ruled out revenue. >> absolutely. >> lehrer: completely. >> look the revenue i get is by more people working, getting higher pay, paying more taxes. that's how we get growth and how we balance the budget. but the idea of taxing people more, putting more people out of work, you'll never get there. you never balance the budget by raising taxes. spain, spain spends 42% of their total economy on government. >> lehrer: okay. >> we're now spending 42% of our economy on government. i don't want to go down the path to spain. i want to go down the path of growth that puts americans to work with more money coming in because they're working. >> lehrer: but, but, mr. president, you're saying in order to get the jo
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